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Hyale or Alfacariensis

5/8/2012

3 Comments

 
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Twice the same butterfly (photographed in the Ardeche just before and just after sunrise). I thought that this is hyale but in the Ardeche a lot of southern butterfly species were flying and the pictures which I found on internet of alfacariensis looks very similar.
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Alex
6/8/2012 03:58:46 pm

Hi Silvia,

ich schreibe mal in Deutsch ist einfacher für mich. Hoffe das ist okay? ;)
Die Merkmale dieser beiden Falter sind nicht eindeutig zu unterscheiden. Ausserdem gibt es auch Merkmalsbweichungen, die sowohl bei hyale als auch bei alfacariensis auftreten können.
hyale und alfacariensis sind nur anhand genetischer Untersuchungen sicher voneinander zu unterscheiden. Deswegen wird bei der Bestimmung immer geschrieben hyale-alfacariensis-Komplex. Es gibt Menschen, die glauben die Falter voneinander unterschieden zu können (z.B. durch Vorhandensein von Futterpflanzen, bestimmten Köroermerkmalen), doch das geht nicht mit 100%iger Sicherheit aus o.g. Gründen. Es bleibt nur die Genunetrsuchung,w enn man es unbedingt wissen möchte/muß.
Hoffe ich konnte Dir weiterhelfen, auch wenn der Falter dadurch immernoch nicht 100% bestimmt ist.

LG, Alex

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Silvia Reiche
8/8/2012 01:10:14 am

Hallo Alex,
vielen vielen Dank für Deinen Eintrag! Der Inhalt oder besser gesagt die Komplexität meiner Frage war mir bekannt :-). Ich habe die Bilder eingestellt weil ich mich gewundert habe, daß im Internet so viele Bilder vom alfacariensis zu finden sind; vor allem an Flugstellen wo ja auch der hyale vorkommt. Also muß es Leute geben die beide Arten unterscheiden können. Ich warte mal ab ob diese Leute meine Seite besuchen :-).
LG Silvia

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Alex
8/8/2012 02:03:30 am

Ja es gibt wohl die Möglichkeit sicher zu unterscheiden, wenn man die Raupen findet. Die unterscheiden sich nämlich bei beiden und die Bestimmung ist gesichert. So würde ich mir die richtig bestimmten Bilder erklären ;)

LG, Alex

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      • Purple Emperor
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      • White Admiral
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      • Hungarian Glider
      • Camberwell Beauty
      • Comma Butterfly
      • Large Tortoiseshell
      • Map Butterfly
      • Painted Lady
      • Peacock
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      • Small Tortoiseshell
      • Assmann's Fritillary
      • Bog Fritillary
      • Cardinal
      • Cranberry Fritillary
      • Dark Green Fritillary
      • False Heath Fritillary
      • Glanville Fritillary
      • Grisons Fritillary
      • Heath Fritillary
      • High Brown Fritillary
      • Knapweed Fritillary
      • Lesser Marbled Fritillary
      • Marbled Fritillary
      • Marsh Fritillary
      • Meadow Fritillary
      • Mountain Fritillary
      • Nickerl's Fritillary
      • Niobe Fritillary
      • Pearl-bordered Fritillary
      • Queen of Spain Fritillary
      • Shepard's Fritillary
      • Silver-washed Fritillary
      • Small Pearl-bordered Fritillary
      • Spotted Fritillary
      • Titania's Fritillary
      • Twin-Spot Fritillary
      • Weaver's Fritillary
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      • Alpine Heath
      • Arran Brown
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      • Gatekeeper
      • Great Banded Grayling
      • Large Ringlet
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      • Wall Brown
      • Woodland Grayling
      • Woodland Ringlet
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      • Spotted Fritillary
      • Large White
      • Red Admiral
      • Black-veined White
      • Map Butterfly
      • Swallowtail
      • Peacock
      • Orange-tip
      • Brimstone
      • Small Tortoiseshell
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      • Comma Butterfly
      • Portuguese Dappled White
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